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signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

Do you make illustrations with , and ? Use or for photo editing? Do you use for astrophotography? Do you use , or for music? Do you use any flavor of while making art? do you use for 3D modeling or for video. Do you use to design custom tools you need for

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signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@eylul @davidrevoy : :fsfe:

@eylul I actually tried to use darktable before for my photo editing. But it always does some editing immediately when I open a file and I just could not figure out how to turn it off.
In the end I just had to give up and default to Photoshop.

@karb_derg
i want to say there is a way to do this but I might be wrong. I'll get back to you. You probably still want to keep the orientation module on and the color temparature on raw but I can see needing to turn off sharpening and filmic off by default for non-traditional photography

@eylul That'd be appreciated.
I already use Krita for my drawing and KdenLive for my Video editing so I'd love to go back to FOSS for Photography too.
But rn it doesn't seem very feasible to me, especially when I'm just starting out.

@karb_derg @eylul are you using raw files or jpegs? If its raw, then there must be some basic processing to show you a usable image: white balance, demoasic, and a few others. Ifs its a jpeg or tiff, then you should be able to disable everything.

@paperdigits
@karb_derg
I think the issue is more changing the default preset of what is applied by default to the image when first opened or history discarded. I thought we had a way to modify that set but I cannot find it.

@eylul @karb_derg you can chang e between the linear and nonlinear pixelpipe at the bottom of the processing modules in darkroom view. You can also choose "custom" there as well. Those will switch between filmic rgb and base curve, amongst other modules.

@paperdigits that's the first place I looked unfortunately as that's where I remember there being an option. However, there is only raw, non-raw and legacy there. (4.0.0)

or am I looking at the wrong thing? (and thanks for trying to help)

@karb_derg

@eylul that is the option you want, unless I'm misunderstanding you.

@karb_derg

@paperdigits
@karb_derg there is no custom setting. either you have the base curve based workflow or filmic workflow (jpeg or raw version) it would be useful to have the ability to make one's own work flow or two "minimal" settings for raw and nonraw images.

@eylul @karb_derg ah, it changes to "custom" when you change the order of a module in the pixel pipe

@paperdigits @eylul For some weird reason I can't even see your replies to my post without going to your profile and scrolling through your "with Replies" tab. 🤨
But yes, I work with raws. When I open them they often look like they already went through some heavy editing while in Photoshop they still look more like it's .jpeg counterpart.
I'll see if I can send a comparison later.

@karb_derg @eylul yes please send a screenshot. With raws and the defaults in darktable, your images should look a little flat and lack color.

@karb_derg @eylul #Darktabke looks like a very complete program. I really like the RAW photo editing. The adjustments of contrast, light, sharpness, levels and curves are simple and correct. However, the moment of saving and managing the files is the most complicated moment for me.

@akatonyab
@karb_derg was it just finding the export module or settings that caused you confusion?

@eylul @karb_derg Thanks, I think the problem I have is related to the interface, but I think if I spend more time on it I will understand it better. At the moment, I use Canon's application and other freeware options, but I would be happy to use #Darktable at the same level as I currently use #Gimp or #Inkscape.

exporting an image in darktable 

@akatonyab @karb_derg basically to export you go to lighttable interface (where you see thumbnails) select the item you edited that you want to save by clicking on it. on right hand column scroll down to export side and press export. (the defaults should be for saving on file as Jpeg, you can export to tiff or another format as well) hope this helps

exporting an image in darktable 

@eylul @karb_derg Thank you very much, I will continue to familiarize myself with the interface.

exporting an image in darktable 

@akatonyab @karb_derg don't hesitate to ask questions if you run into into issues. Another place to look is Pixls.us blog and forums that might already have many of the answers. :)

@karb_derg
I personally recommwnd #rawtherapee for newcomers, since I find the interface a bit more self-explanatory (although #Darktable has extensive documentation, but you'd need to invest the time to read it)

Generally, raw files cannot be displayed without *some* processing, and each software has some defaults for that. RT roughly matches the colours of the embedded preview jpg, for example).

In both DT and RT, you can configure the default settings to your preference.
@eylul

@karb_derg
People coming from e.g. Lightroom are often unaware that the "unmodified raw" they see in LR is just LR's default profile. Adobe has collaborations with camera makers that allows them to get much closer to the in-camera jpeg conversion for each brand, and that's why it appears "unmodified", next to the out-of-camera jpegs. Since those profiles are proprietory, however, open-source software would have to reverse-engineer them, and even that could be legally dangerous.
@eylul

@Mr_Teatime @karb_derg actually that workflow still exist in format of base curve based legacy workflow. (that has camera based profiles) Somebody correct me if I am wrong but the reason behind the decision to move away from that was technical issues with base curve and a design decision to make filmic default.

@eylul @karb_derg
could be -- but simple base curves can't accurately imitate the jpeg conversion processes of modern cameras, either.
Out of the box, RawTherapee is configured to match RGB curves to the preview jpeg, but it never quite looks the same for me (Canon 6D). There are options for camera-specific "look" tables which get you closer, but I decided at some point to stop trying to imitate the jpegs and do what I like best.

@Mr_Teatime @karb_derg
heh I found darktable much easier to use from the start to be honest but both of them are excellent software. :D

and yeah I assume there is a way to change default settings somewhere but I haven't been able to find it yet.

signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@eylul

What if I just make silly memes with GIMP? 😅

I use the hashtag #LossyPNG for my strangely compressed images and memes that remind me a bit of Commodore Amiga images (because lowering the number of colors in the images reduces the complexity/entropy of the image, making the resultant PNG file smaller)

signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@eylul I took this picture with the also-pictured raspberry pi and some *ahem* bespoke mounting hardware for my telescope. ;)

Then I edited it using GIMP to help enhance some of the detail.

#artWithOpenSource

signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@benjaminhollon legos might be some of the most overlooked maker tools out there. (Has definitely not used them to make a microscope photography stand before nope xD)

that being said... this is amazing. I assume this is the new generation Pi cameras that you have used here?

signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@eylul No, this was actually with the V1!

Figuring out how to control the software was a headache... I ended up finding some software that serves a webpage to control it, then setting up an ad-hoc wireless hotspot on the pi so I could stream the footage to my phone and control it from there.

The hardest thing was getting it to show any detail at all; the exposure time was messed up, I guess. I got it eventually, though.

signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@benjaminhollon 🙃 Did you try by any chance entangle? or obs (to use it as a webcam with at least less noise introduced) Apologies if I am just reiterating what you have tried. I am just curious as to how.

signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@eylul The problem is that the raspberry pi camera doesn't show up as a normal webcam, you have to use their software to interface with it. I used a program specifically designed to work with the raspberry pi camera and stream an interface controlling it.

signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@benjaminhollon I see. thanks for explaining that. well this is a very creative and out of box thinking way to solve that problem and thanks for sharing it. :)

signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@eylul making art program, basically art.

signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@doctormo this is primarily for featuring art but I like seeing occasional updates of inkscape in the mix :D

signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@eylul I edit my pictures with GIMP, draw stuff on Krita and I use Mixxx for my broadcasts in a small online radio station. Occasionally I make music with LMMS.

signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@eylul i bang on about Blender ALL the time :)

re: signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@eylul I would prefer artWithFreeSoftware rather than OpenSource, btw...

re: signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@marcelcosta
*sighs* xD trust me there is a reason for this not being freeSoftware or FOSS / FLOSS.

the tag is intended to showcase what is available with free and open sourced software to an audience who might not be familiar with it.

Using the word free brings freemium software use.

acronyms are not helpful

and artWithFreeLibreAndOpenSourceSoftware...

yeah lets just not do that.
Thanks for offering the idea though. :)

re: signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@eylul Ey, thanks for answering and for the good initiative!

I get the point, although there is a political reason to use Free Software (as freedom) rather than Open Source, which was coined in opposition (or as alternative movement) to Richard Stallman's Free Software movement. It has been embraced by GAFAMs...

In any case, I am happy that many artist are joining our free space.

re: signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@eylul As a curiosity, in spanish we have different words for each concept. "Libre" for freedom and "Gratuíto" o "Gratis" for no cost.

re: signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@marcelcosta yeah same with turkish which makes this dilemma non existent. :)

re: signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@marcelcosta
oh no I get it. Just yeah compromise of easy understanding.

re: signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@marcelcosta btw this being said if anyone wanted to adapt/translate the tag in your own language and your language doesn't have the issue of "free" having 2 meanings, I would definitely encourage using that. (I would do this if I ever create turkish version of the tag) Just english version causes too many misunderstandings

signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@eylul Oh hey cool, I love seeing this hashtag get some attention!

I helped develop an extension for Krita a few years ago. Krita has an amazing team behind it and a great community (shoutout to krita-artists.org). I recommend it for anyone doing digital art work.

signalboost about #artWithOpenSource tag 

@malle_yeno
krita-artists.org, pixls.us and openDesign are 3 forums I would recommend to everyone. (and blender foundation's resources!) I might be forgetting something else there

@eylul I've been using Krita for years. It blows Photoshop's brush engine out of the water. And it can handle large file without any problems. I've also been dual booting various flavours of Linux for over 20 years. Open source is great!

@darkphotonstudio @eylul any tips for getting ink drawings looking a bit nicer on screen? Always been on oss, but not really gone deep into photo editing. I share stuff here and it looks a bit dull, other folk have their pics like sparkly rainbows making mine look like that old off-gray sock lost behind the sofa.

@eylul @darkphotonstudio exactly, or snapped on the phone tbh, not got a scanner (I miss the sound they make though)

@eylul @darkphotonstudio the sound of scanners, not phones. Though a scanner sound instead of a shutter would be much better. Also needs the angry fighting cats modem sound every time it connects to wi-fi. I hope you're paying attention phone manufacturers, this is market research gold I'm giving you here.

@dangercake ub I edit them using Darktable. as @darkphotonstudio@metalhead.cl said tone curves and vibrancy. It is also about the lighting you use to photograph your images too though. Try to go for diffuse daylight as much as possible.

@dangercake @eylul I always have to bring my photos of my art into Gimp or Krita and tweak colours, contrast, sharpness, etc. My best advice is to just twiddle the sliders until it looks how you want it to. Also, taking a quality photo also helps. If your phone isn't cutting it, consider buying a dedicated camera. Don't be afraid to ask any other question you may have and I'll answer the best I can.

@darkphotonstudio @eylul thanks both, I'll try this, never heard of darktable before. It'll have to be an oldy, hopefully this weekend I'll get to some more drawing

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